We Fight So You Don’t Have To

Hosted ByLiz Fenton and Lisa Steinke

BFFs and co-authors Liz Fenton & Lisa Steinke share lessons from their thirty-year friendship. Basically, they fight so you don’t have to.


All Episodes

Episode 39 | The Struggle Bus with Screenwriters David Wagner & David Allensworth

Liz and Lisa talk to “The Davids” (as they call them) about what a ride on the struggle bus feels like for a screenwriter. Hint: (Bumpy!) David Wagner and David Allensworth each separately enjoyed early success in their writing and producing careers but haven’t had a hit together in...

Episode 38 | The Struggle Bus with Michelle Gable

Up next for a ride on the struggle bus is New York Times bestselling author, Michelle Gable. Find out why Michelle says she still struggled in publishing after she hit the list. Michelle doesn’t hold back as she takes us through the highs and lows of her career. And...

Episode 37 | Looks Like We Made It!

LIz and Lisa (and Barry Manilow!) announce the good news that they have another book deal! Forever Hold Your Peace will be published in the summer of 2023! It’s been a long year and a half of editors choosing to “step aside” (listen to their rejection series if you...

Episode 36 | The Struggle Bus with Nicole Hackett

Liz and Lisa have invited authors to take a ride on the struggle bus and talk about the hard times they’ve experienced in their publishing careers. Their next passenger is author Nicole Hackett who wrote six books and had two agents before she finally got her first book deal....

Episode 35 | The Struggle Bus with Catherine McKenzie

Liz and Lisa have invited authors to take a ride on the struggle bus and talk about the hard times they’ve experienced in their publishing careers. Their first passenger? Internationally best-selling author, Catherine McKenzie, who talks candidly about the failures, the rejection, and the tears. Have a comment? A...

Episode 34| How to Not Murder Your Co-author

Liz and LIsa’s rejection series continues. In this episode, they answer a question they’re often asked: Should I try co-authoring a book? If you’re thinking about writing a novel with another person, then you must listen to the many ways Liz and LIsa have almost broken up. Find out...

Episode 33 | Finding Your Joy in a Sea of Rejection

Liz and LIsa’s rejection series continues. They have heard from so many authors who have lost the joy of writing. (Liz has too!) They do a deep dive into why it happens and how to pull yourself out of it. Have a comment? A question? Email Liz & Lisa...

Episode 32 | On a Wing and a Prayer

In the fourth episode of their rejection series, Liz and Lisa finally reveal the current status of their career, and butcher a classic theme song. You’ll have to listen to understand. Have a comment? A question? Email Liz & Lisa at Liz@lizandlisa.com and put PODCAST in the subject line.

Episode 31 | We’re All In This Together

Liz and Lisa were shocked by the incredible response to the first two episodes of their rejection series. In this episode, they discuss their surprise that so many authors are in the same boat as they are, and why everyone is afraid to talk about their failures publicly. Have...